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    OK...I don't do the composting or that... but I gotta feed my flower beds. I have been using Scott's M.G., but is there anything better? Another thing, my soil tends to acid, and is sandy.

    Thanks guys!
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    Louie use's Shake n Feed....works great...supposed to last 3 months. She shakes it out...(no pun) monthly. We have sandy beach soil, it works.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Slanted88 View Post
      Louie use's Shake n Feed....works great...supposed to last 3 months. She shakes it out...(no pun) monthly. We have sandy beach soil, it works.


      Hehe....


      I dont know why you dont start a compost bin Rich, or a homemade compost tumbler.. We can get those bbq stained fingers green..
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Texas-Hunter View Post
        Hehe....


        I dont know why you dont start a compost bin Rich, or a homemade compost tumbler.. We can get those bbq stained fingers green..
        If it was anything but stupid flowers...I would. My "dirt" here is sand and gravel. Should I go with raised beds ONE DAY...I'd go that route. Till then, Michigan local produce is excellent :{)
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        • #5
          But since ya mention it... I have about a 3 yard pile of grass trimmings the base of which is 2 years old the top yard or so is last years. What should I toss on it to "git-R-done"? I could tarp it off easily enough...
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          • #6
            To help the soil long term, mix in regular old cow or horse manure compost. It's only around $1.50 a bag around here.
            Keith

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kingudaroad View Post
              To help the soil long term, mix in regular old cow or horse manure compost. It's only around $1.50 a bag around here.
              Yeah... actually, I'm close enough to farm country to go get some I guess. But again..it's stupid flowers ;{)
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              • #8
                But stupid flowers can be replaced by great veggies and peppers..
                Ken


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Texas-Hunter View Post
                  But stupid flowers can be replaced by great veggies and peppers..
                  I tried that once in the one decent bed in the front of the house. Grew some killer Romas and Beefsteaks. Wife said "We look like hillbillies growing that in the front" I said "We look like hillbillies with great tomatoes tho!" Overruled.

                  On edit..no offense intended Travco... :{)
                  Last edited by Richtee; 05-23-2009, 03:49 PM.
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                  • #10
                    Rich, your acid/sandy soil is exactly why you need compost.
                    Properly made compost (not the junk from your recycle center) is neutral in pH and over time will balance your acid soil while adding organic matter and nutrients at the same time. More organic matter will bind your sandy crap helping retain moisture. Its a win win win situation.
                    I agree that veggies have more of my attention than flowers (hey I can eat veggies) but both thrive on the same soil conditions.
                    And just like good "Q" the more you learn the better it gets...
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                    • #11
                      Side dress all flowers and veggies with triple 13 and all will be well.


                      Tom

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                      • #12
                        OK...you have forced me onto the organic soapbox.

                        When I have people ask "What do you feed your plants?"
                        I say "I don't!"

                        (Here we go) The key is...Feed the soil, The soil feeds the plants, And the plants feed me... and it works. You dont need no super triple nothin. Im serious. When you go back to the basics, it really gets easier.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SMOKE FREAK View Post
                          OK...you have forced me onto the organic soapbox.

                          When I have people ask "What do you feed your plants?"
                          I say "I don't!"

                          (Here we go) The key is...Feed the soil, The soil feeds the plants, And the plants feed me... and it works. You dont need no super triple nothin. Im serious. When you go back to the basics, it really gets easier.
                          And here it comes. I knew it wouldn't take long.
                          Fertilizing is feeding the soil. Triple 13 contains Nitrogen, Phosphorus and Potassium. It's not some miracle concoction that's sold at Walmart. It's simply all the things plants REQUIRE to be healthy. All the natural chemicals mother nature should deposit in soil through precipitation, but forgets to do sometimes. Anyone that knows anything about growing crops knows this.
                          Please go back and read his question. I answered his question.


                          Tom

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                          • #14
                            Hey Gunny Triple 13 is good stuff. They used to sell it over here in NE Kansas but nobody has it anymore.

                            We make our own compost and make sure after we plant anything to also mix in a lot of worm casings.

                            Whatever you use whether its Triple 13 or another brand or your own compost, mix in some worm casings. If you don't have access to that, look around at most Ace hardware stores. Most sell some stuff called Earthrite. The Earthrite has worm casings along with stuff. All this stuff above nourishes the food. Most of us have heavy soil containing clay or something else. The worm casings and Earthrite all help break that heavy soil down and convert to good top soil in just a month or so.

                            Feeding soil/plants is required, but only part of the solution. Breaking up the soil so the roots and underground veggies can breathe is the other.

                            Another benefit of the Earthrite is that in the process of breaking up the soil it allows the soil to drain better. If you have ponding water on your lawn, the Earthrite will cure that real quick. Heck, a quart of the stuff has been known to break the soil up so well that a quart will drain a pond. The key is the first time you use it to double the application and then hit it at regular strength again within a month. Its best to apply a week or so before any plants or veggies go into the dirt. But applying it at the same time or after won't do any harm.

                            After their in the ground, mulch well and maybe while getting the Earthrite gets some Mushroom Stuff also. The mushroom stuff is a great fertilizer.

                            But still, I wish they still sold the Triple 13 over here.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Gunslinger View Post
                              And here it comes. I knew it wouldn't take long.
                              Fertilizing is feeding the soil. Triple 13 contains Nitrogen, Phosphorus and Potassium. It's not some miracle concoction that's sold at Walmart. It's simply all the things plants REQUIRE to be healthy. All the natural chemicals mother nature should deposit in soil through precipitation, but forgets to do sometimes. Anyone that knows anything about growing crops knows this.
                              Please go back and read his question. I answered his question.
                              Look what you started Rich!

                              Game on,Gunny...
                              In my own very biased opinion...Synthetic fertilizers are not fertilizer at all. The are "plant food". And most do a very good job of feeding plants. Agreed! BUT... they do have a very negative effect on soil microbes due to excessive salt buildup eventually leading to lifeless soil that then is totally dependent on these plant food products to sustain plant growth.
                              On the other hand an ongoing program of adding organic matter to the soil through composting will nourish the soil which in turn nourishing the plants making it totally unnecessary to supplement with synthetics.

                              And yes you did answer his question for a short term solution. I simply told him how to solve his problem. Anyone who knows anything about soil science knows this...
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