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    Actually, it's my dried beef experiment, but the title gotcha to look

    This is my 2 chunk-o-meat experiment for making dried beef. My goal here is to make the same dried beef that is used in chipped beef. Hormel and Armour both make it and you have probably seen it if you are not familiar with what I’m talking about. It is those ultra thin slices that come in either a foil pouch (Armour brand) or a glass jar (Hormel).
    Trouble with both of these is that they are super salty. My hopes here are to have a great product that is still characteristically dry like dried beef should be, but not loaded with a heavy salt taste.

    I started off with 5.47 pounds of Beef round eye that I split in two.



    I am going to be trying two different methods for curing these. One will be with Mortons Tender Quick, the other using Cure #1 or pink curing salt.

    First one is the Mortons.
    The GREEN weight of the first cut was 1114 grams or 2# 11oz. I injected it to 10% of it’s green weight for a total weight after injection of 1225 Grams.
    I went a bit over to 1270 but should be ok.
    Next step was to rub down the meat in TQ at 1 Tbl per pound of meat which I figured was 2 Tbl + 2 tsp.


    On top of that, I gave it a very light coating of brown sugar and into a zip loc bag where it will sit for 7 days.


    Next one weighed 1025 Grams, or 2# 4oz. and I’m using Cure #1 or pink curing salt on this one. This one gives me the freedom to control the saltiness. I’m using a stated recipe for this and can adjust if I see fit next go around.

    Frist step was to make the brine.
    1 1/4 Quarts water.
    2 Tbl Kosher Salt
    1 Tbl Cure #1.
    2 1/2 Tbl Brown sugar.


    Next, make several injections throught the meat until it visabilly swells up. No weight percentages to make for this one so I just injected it evenly thru-out.

    Put into a zip loc bag and added the remainig brine where it will sit for 10 days.


    I don’t know whats worse. Waiting for your cheese to age once smoked to waiting for brined meat to be smoked so you can see how it turns out.

    For this experiment, I have read online where people would wrap the meat in clean cloth and set in the fridge changing the cloth daily for clean ones. The purpose of this was for the cloth to wick the moisture from the meat. After the cure time was up, I wrapped both pieces in cloth and tried this for 2 days. It did extract some moisture out as both pieces of cloth were damp.
    (I let the one cured in Tender Quick cure to 10 days instead of 7 so I could smoke both together)

    For the smoke, I started both pieces out on the big chief as I didn’t want allot of heat to begin with. Combine the low heat of the Big Chief and the fact that todays outside temps were 12 degrees, I was doing a cold smoke so to speak . Smoked the Chief for 2 hours with Apple. After that, I moved it to the UDS and kept the temps at 175-180 for about 5 hours and then bumped the temps up to 220 to finish off at an internal temp of 155 degrees.

    Visual differences of the two. Right out of the cure, the one cured with TQ was visiably darker while the one with instacure was lighter as you can see in the pics.


    Also, the TQ one, when you held it or touched it, almost had a rubber feel to it., sorta a bounce feel to it. Not the exterior, but overall. Like a solid hunk of soft rubber. When you pushed into it with your finger, it would spring right back out. The instacure one was considerably softer to the touch.

    Pic of the UDS sitting inside one of the sheds. Had my trusty Coleman lantern lighting the way on this snowy cold and hell night. I think it was 6 degrees outside. This shot is right around 10 pm.


    Both smoked and wrapped and set on the porch overnight to chill.

    After sitting all night, ready for the slicer. Very nice dark color on them.


    Cut both of them into sandwich size pieces.


    Foodsavered up and ready for the freezer.


    The end cuts I saved as thick hunks as there was no uniform shape to them for slicing. Will keep these pieces to make chipped beef and gravy.

    Taste test. The TQ one had tons more flavor to it. Not overly salty at all. In fact, the wife even commented on how good it was. The Instacure one, still good flavor, but not as intense. Lacking a bit overall. Even with the slow and somewhat cool smoke starting off, and the wrapping of the meat to remove extra moisture, the meat could have used a bit more drying out. I think the next time I do this, I am going to wrap them again, and either set them in my mini fridge with a small fan or on the porch with a small fan to evaporate more moisture still. They did lose overall weight, and I forgot to take a post smoke weight of them, but looking at them on the cutting board, you could visiabally see they had shrunk in size.

    Thats it for this smoke. Stay tuned for Double smoked hams, coming soon.
    https://youtu.be/ZcqprrIlbcIli

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    Those look incredibly good! I'd take a sandwich right now.
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    • #3
      Hot Damn, Todd. Go ahead and whip up some gravy, I'll make the toast!

      My old man loved SOS...took him back to his days in the military, so I ate a boat load when I was a kid. Looks damn fine too.

      Dude, you gotta spread these smokes out a bit...I still owe you some points from another recent smoke...don't worry, I'll be back on this one too.
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      • #4
        Perhaps next time, include some garlic, onion, rosemary or whatever else might seem appealing to ya during the cure.

        The brined hunk looks "washed out" as indeed, it was- by the brining. Alot of the meat juices were exchanged for the brine/cure solution duing the cure. And probably there went some flavor as well.

        Whereas the TQ cured one lost SOME moisture but you din't have a brine working it's way in.

        Try a dry cure#1 process, betcha get mucho improvement!

        Good stuff...the one I did was just fantastic in a French Dip!
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Richtee View Post
          Perhaps next time, include some garlic, onion, rosemary or whatever else might seem appealing to ya during the cure.

          Yes, a good idea. Especially the garlic and rosemary. Love em. Next ones will incorporate a few more flavors.

          The brined hunk looks "washed out" as indeed, it was- by the brining. Alot of the meat juices were exchanged for the brine/cure solution duing the cure. And probably there went some flavor as well.

          Whereas the TQ cured one lost SOME moisture but you din't have a brine working it's way in.

          Try a dry cure#1 process, betcha get mucho improvement!

          Never thought about that, but again, you are right. The additional liquid "diluted" the meat. How do I do dry cure with #1?

          Good stuff...the one I did was just fantastic in a French Dip!
          I have to say, I was worried about the TQ one being overly salty, but taste wise, it was on the money as far as saltiness.
          https://youtu.be/ZcqprrIlbcIli

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          • #6
            You dry cure much the same- except you add salt. King has a TQ approximation...I keep fergetting to commit it to memory. It's salt, a bit of sugar, and whirl it in a coffee grinder to mix well. Along with your garlic, CBP, rosemary and BS, I might add :{)

            Oh and 6.25 grams/5 Lbs, or approx. 1.25g/Lb. for Cure#1. Yes, you'll need a scale.

            And, you might as well inject some to avoid the trouble I had with mine...or be more patient! LOL!
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Richtee View Post
              You dry cure much the same- except you add salt. King has a TQ approximation...I keep fergetting to commit it to memory. It's salt, a bit of sugar, and whirl it in a coffee grinder to mix well. Along with your garlic, CBP, rosemary and BS, I might add :{)

              Oh and 6.25 grams/5 Lbs, or approx. 1.25g/Lb. for Cure#1. Yes, you'll need a scale.

              And, you might as well inject some to avoid the trouble I had with mine...or be more patient! LOL!
              Kingudaroad? I'll shoot him a pm.

              Aside from the addition of sugar, how does this differ from TQ? Or is it basically the same thing?
              https://youtu.be/ZcqprrIlbcIli

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Meat Hunter View Post
                Kingudaroad? I'll shoot him a pm.

                Aside from the addition of sugar, how does this differ from TQ? Or is it basically the same thing?
                I just did...and I'll sticky the formula.

                TQ has a small percentage of nitrate as well as nitrite. But for curing like we are talking about, and refridgerated product, it's not really needed.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Richtee View Post
                  I just did...and I'll sticky the formula.

                  TQ has a small percentage of nitrate as well as nitrite. But for curing like we are talking about, and refridgerated product, it's not really needed.
                  Ok cool. Thanks Mr.Rich.

                  So basically, for all the things I have "cured" so far, like the dried beef, that pork pastrami and that BBB, I could have used the Insta cure formula instead of TQ?
                  https://youtu.be/ZcqprrIlbcIli

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                  • #10
                    Well, surely. With additional salt, of course. Altho, as you pointed out... TQ does a damned fine job without any tweaking or guesses
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                    • #11
                      I have a couple roasts hanging out in the freezer. Now I have something to do with them!

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                      • #12
                        Thats a fine post MH. Just wondering if you let them hang for a week after smoking if it would get to what your looking for. I just bought some of that dried salty stuff the other day as a matter of fact.............

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                        • #13
                          Great Job! ..... You have really been doing some Awesome stuff lately Todd! .... Very Inspiring! .....

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SmokinLee View Post
                            Thats a fine post MH. Just wondering if you let them hang for a week after smoking if it would get to what your looking for. I just bought some of that dried salty stuff the other day as a matter of fact.............
                            I don't know. I would like it to be drier next go around for sure. I bought some Armour dried beef a few weeks ago and just plopped the whole pack in the gravy mix. I should have read the back of the package as I was only supposed to use a bit of it, NOT the whole pack. Talk about some salty ass gravy

                            Originally posted by Fishawn View Post
                            Great Job! ..... You have really been doing some Awesome stuff lately Todd! .... Very Inspiring! .....

                            Thank you sir. Wouldn't, or should I say, Couldn't have done any of the stuff I have made without the great knowledgeable members here. Including you Scott
                            https://youtu.be/ZcqprrIlbcIli

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                            • #15
                              Great post!
                              Love my SOS... Thanks for the info on The Cure....



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