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    At the request of the Curious Aardvark I will attempt to explain the making of a cheese cave.

    Making a curing chamber for cheese or cheese cave is very much like making a sausage fermenting chamber. The temperature should be between 46 degrees to 57 degrees Fahrenheit with a relative humidity at about 80 to *95%. Whereas sausage generally require a temperature of about 50 to 60 degrees Fahrenheit and a relative humidity of around 70%. Of course this varies somewhat with the item you are curing much like a sausage it is close enough to use the same curing chamber you use for sausage. In some cases even at the same time as the cultures use for producing mold on some sausage is the same as the ones used in certain types of cheeses.

    The biggest challenge of creating the curing chamber for cheese cave is the higher level of humidity needed. Home brew shops carry thermostatic controls you simply plug in to control temperature but most refrigerators do their best to knock down the humidity to prevent mold. When making cheese you sometimes want to grow or control mold so this can be tricky.

    There are several ways to add humidity to your cheese cave. The easiest is to buy a small personal humidifier. Small personal humidifiers can be purchased from stores for less than $20. Wal-Mart sells one that is about the size of a grapefruit that is perfect for smallish refrigerators near the pharmacy section. I believe Target also carries this tiny personal humidifier but in the hardware section? I am sure if you looks they are also all over the internet too.

    The easiest refrigerator to use is the dorm fridge. Some are electronic and do not have heating coils to evaporate the extra moisture, just a fan. These are cheap and can be picked up at yard sales for a few dollars or purchased new for $50 for a small cube to $80 for the larger ones. Some will run at the perfect temperature right out of the box but some still require the thermostatic control. This and a thermostatic control may be sufficient to get your cave going.

    The thermostat I use is here:
    http://www.northernbrewer.com/shop/c.../?q=thermostat

    I am surprised this thing is still around. Mine are about 10 years old back from my old beer brewing days! They do seem to last forever. AT least the old ones do.

    I have a mini dorm fridge (cube type) that sits on top of my microwave I use for the first few months of aging my cheeses. The first few days, and months are the most critical because you will be developing the rind, so I want it close so I do not forget to check on it. I also just happen to be mildly allergic to green and blue mold (just get rashes and itch) so I need keep all green/blue molds off my cheeses. After that I vacuum seal them and move them into a bigger fridge in the basement for the next few months or in some cases many, many, years. You never had cheese until you’ve aged one for over 5 years! After it’s vacuum sealed you can stop worrying about humidity! Just watch your temperatures and flip the cheeses every month or so for even moisture movement. That it! You do not even need a warm curing chamber like you do for salami >>>>> they go from brine straight to cool.
    Hope this helps hon!
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  • #2
    Cool stuff Deb

    Someday, I would like to try making cheese again, as my first try with Mozzarella (sp?) did not go very well..... Also, since I've been introduced to Belgium style beers it makes me want to get into home brewing. I did about 6-7 batches back in me early 20's, but only 1 turned out average or better, the rest we just drank because we could
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Fishawn View Post
      Cool stuff Deb
      I did about 6-7 batches back in me early 20's, but only 1 turned out average or better, the rest we just drank because we could
      prolly back in the days when Olympia beer was running its phaze...

      neat info Deb!

      one day i wouldd like to make some cheese again. would like to make the stuff my mom would make when the blizzards came and the milk trucks couldnt arrive to pick up the milk. so we would separate the cream from the milk and just save that, ran out of space otherwise... but out of the skim she made a cheese, was kind of crumbly and odurous... but melt some in a fry pan and serve on toast points and some awesome stuff... another thing i better try and see if she remembers how to make...

      thks for sharing!
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      • #4
        brilliant - never thought about vacpacking for ageing. Even though I do it with my smoked cheese lol

        You can even get usb powered humidifiers - seen those somewhere recently for a very few quid.


        Thank you :-)

        gonna have to give this some serious thought.
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        • #5
          erain you didn't narrow down that cheese to much for me I have lot of recipes for unpress, uncured cheeses.

          Hope you guys give it a try you'd be amazed how much money you can save!
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          SunJoy horizontal with left side firebox (aka - Lefty Lucy)
          River Grille - Black Ceramic Egg (aka Black Egg)

          Smoke preference:Combination of Charcoal, Hickory, Apple, Cherry & Pecan wood.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DeejayDebi View Post
            erain you didn't narrow down that cheese to much for me I have lot of recipes for unpress, uncured cheeses.

            Hope you guys give it a try you'd be amazed how much money you can save!
            will try and narrow it down for you... quite possible she may not even know. just going of memory i bet... things i do remember...
            separated the milk so it was from skim
            not sure if she boiled at all but for some reason i dont think so. remember something about leaving set until you could "cut it"??? jokes will start now i am sure...
            sqeeze out using cheese cloth...
            will get more info and pm you...
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            • #7
              Originally posted by erain View Post
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              • #8
                Sounds like she might have made a fresh ripened cheese like a paneer or a quark or a basic farmer cheese (Queso Blanco). It's really simple and you only have to wait over night to eat it - which is a HUGE plus for newbie cheese makers. Newbies have a hard time waiting for an aged cheese.


                If she waited to cut the curds she may have use rennet. Back in the day lots of people used Junket brand rennet for puddings and soft cheeses. Could have even been a Halloumi or a Queso Fresco. Do you remember if she fried it? If she fried it and it didn't melt probably a Halloumi but back then it was just called cheese or frying cheese. Things were not put into pigeon holes like they are today.

                You have inspired me to get off my butt and go back to work on my cheese book! Your questions give me ideas about what should be added for details.
                Last edited by DeejayDebi; 03-22-2012, 11:34 AM.
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                ECB -The Brinkman All-In-One Bullet type Water smoker aka -Baby Bink)Camp Chef Smoke Vault 24 Inch propane smoke (aka -Black Beauty)
                SunJoy horizontal with left side firebox (aka - Lefty Lucy)
                River Grille - Black Ceramic Egg (aka Black Egg)

                Smoke preference:Combination of Charcoal, Hickory, Apple, Cherry & Pecan wood.

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                • #9
                  Ooh - you got a recipe for haloumi - don't think my cheese book does.
                  We get through a lot of ahloumi in the bbq season and it's getting bloody expensive to buy.

                  pretty please :-)
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DeejayDebi View Post
                    Sounds like she might have made a fresh ripened cheese like a paneer or a quark or a basic farmer cheese (Queso Blanco). It's really simple and you only have to wait over night to eat it - which is a HUGE plus for newbie cheese makers. Newbies have a hard time waiting for an aged cheese.


                    If she waited to cut the curds she may have use rennet. Back in the day lots of people used Junket brand rennet for puddings and soft cheeses. Could have even been a Halloumi or a Queso Fresco. Do you remember if she fried it? If she fried it and it didn't melt probably a Halloumi but back then it was just called cheese or frying cheese. Things were not put into pigeon holes like they are today.

                    You have inspired me to get off my butt and go back to work on my cheese book! Your questions give me ideas about what should be added for details.
                    basic farmer cheese would sound appropiate... no rennet though, this was home grown milk before it got to the creamery and the pastuerization process...
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                    Little Chief, Big Chief, No Name water smoker
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                    • #11
                      Yeah most people made farmers cheese back in the day. Those older folks learned not to waste and how to save food after the depression. We are so danged spoiled lots of families don't even cook anymore.

                      Halloumi is one of my basic cheese class cheeses. Even little kids can make it with a little supervision over the stove.
                      Smokers:
                      ECB -The Brinkman All-In-One Bullet type Water smoker aka -Baby Bink)Camp Chef Smoke Vault 24 Inch propane smoke (aka -Black Beauty)
                      SunJoy horizontal with left side firebox (aka - Lefty Lucy)
                      River Grille - Black Ceramic Egg (aka Black Egg)

                      Smoke preference:Combination of Charcoal, Hickory, Apple, Cherry & Pecan wood.

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