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    To start, i need to convey that this is not about "honing" your knives. this process is only to be done when you need to remove material and essentially "reshape" at least a portion of your knife. this may happen over time, when a person cuts on a hard surface such as granite, concrete, etc., or when a knife is abused. in my case, the knives are a cheaper set that were never truely sharp in the first place. as these knives have been used over the last few years, they ended up looking like this:





    it's hard to tell from the pictures, but there are actually chunks of metal missing from the cutting edge. this being said, it's not hard to imagine that they are pretty useless for cutting anything.

    the first thing we do is assess the situation and decide upon which "patients" need to be operated upon. in my situation, we have about 6 or 7 various knives. the steak knives rarely get used (we have a better, serrated set), so i mainly worried about my utility and butcher knives.

    the next step is to take them to the bench grinder. this is not for sharpening, but mainly getting the shape into the steel. we will bring the cutting edge back to a stable and solid portion of the blade. I take one smooth, consistent, even swipe of the blade on each side, taking a very small amount of metal off at each time. this ensures that I take only the absolute minimum amount of metal off.

    one note that needs to be remembered here is that if you are discoloring the metal, creating sparks, or feeling heat in any way on the blade, you are either pressing too hard, going too slow, or are doing something else wrong. the goal here is to remove metal, but not cause the temper or hardness of the blade to be removed. if you are discoloring the blade, you need to remove all the metal back to the point of no more discoloration in order to minimize the risk of having a brittle or otherwise weak blade. for that reason alone, I try to keep the blade as cool as possible.

    after the blades are primitively re-shaped, we go back to the kitchen. take note of the direction of the "grooves" on the blade at this point. as the grinder spins, it makes small marks on the blade that should be running perpendicular with the knife edge.

    the best knife sharpening tool that I have ever owned is a knife sharpener that was a spur of the moment, $8.99 purchase. I have seen them at walmart, home depot, etc. I think i picked mine up at Cabela's.



    the shaft portion is a diamond-coated part that is for serrated knives. the few serrated knives that I have used it on have turned out great. the carbide and ceramic "V"'s are what I use. I actually don't use the ceramic part, but that's just me. the carbide gets 99.9% of the use. another great thing is that due to it's construction, it works the same whether you are right or left handed. it also fits in a pocket and works great for quick sharpening jobs in the shop, kitchen, field, etc.

    after grasping it firmly, we drag the blade through the grooves like such:



    If you pay close attention, you will notice that the grooves in the metal that were created from the grinder are now being removed and replaced by grooves that are parallel to the edge.

    this would be a good time to explain that this should be done away from open food containers or other things that you don't want metal shavings in...



    At this point, the knives are ready to cut and slice. However, I always try to finish the sharpening job with a fine-grit honing stone. After a few quick swipes on each side, feel the knife edge by dragging your thumb nail perpendicular to the blde. if you can shave a portion of your nail by dragging the blade either way and the edge feels similar in both directions, you should be good to go.

    when I was done, i was able to do this with a good swipe from the 8" butcher knife. lol



    anyway, there are obviously thousands of tools out there to do the same things and get the same result... this is just the way that I go about it. I have found this method works best for me with the tools i have.

    Later,
    Andy
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    Ain't nothing like a sharp azz knife!...I keep en sharp & got some great sharpeners...
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    • #3
      Originally posted by aczeller View Post

      One good thing about being Hunky/Dago is I can sharpen alot more knives more often. That's the time honored test in our family too

      PS: That diamond stick can be used on scissors if yer careful, and again with care as a "dresser".
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      • #4
        I tend to use a combination of diamond files and them carbide sharpeners.

        And yep, at times my left forearm is pretty smooth lol
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        • #5
          So that sharpener lasts a long time? I am going to get me one, I have been using the harbor freight cheap ones and they do work pretty good, but i bought the sharpening stone they have for like 2 bucks and i cant get that to work for shit.

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          • #6
            I use a diamond 3-sided "stick". One surface is coarse, one is medium, and one is fine. This thing totally rocks! The way I check for sharpness is to lay the edge on my thumbnail, if it slides, it ain't sharp. If it starts to dig in, it's sharp!


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            • #7
              i know my knives are sharp when the cut a wet dish sponge w/ just drawing the weight of the blade across it.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by blues_n_cues View Post
                i know my knives are sharp when the cut a wet dish sponge w/ just drawing the weight of the blade across it.
                Yeah, butt how do you see that camo handle to hold it while sharpening/carving...


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Pandemonium View Post
                  So that sharpener lasts a long time? I am going to get me one, I have been using the harbor freight cheap ones and they do work pretty good, but i bought the sharpening stone they have for like 2 bucks and i cant get that to work for shit.
                  yeah. for the cost of it, it is the best damn thing yet. I have had it for over a year, which comes to less than a dollar per month. since the carbide is harder than the steel, there is little to no chance that it will ever wear out.

                  http://www.google.com/products/catal...d=0CD0Q8gIwAg#

                  the only thing I wish it had different was a bigger/more stable handle. it's only able to be held between my index finger and thumb, so it can get somewhat tiresome.

                  my brother got me a set of NICE Furi knives for Christmas... i started looking at a "better" sharpening system for these knives, and came across their sharpening finger kits. seems like a great product, had great reviews so far... the basic one is only $20 or so, but it only had a medium-grit, diamond-impregnated steel finger set. the one i WANT (but will not buy for while) is $100 and comes with (3) sets of fingers and a carbide blade thingy, similar to the smith sharpener.

                  Later,
                  Andy
                  Current babies:
                  -Daughter's 10"x24" RF smoker
                  -RichTee's Lang :)
                  Former Lineup:
                  -Charbroil Santa Fe grill
                  -1954'ish Philco fridge smoker
                  -1950's GE electric fridge smoker in progress (Went to WuTang and will probably never be completed. lol)
                  -enough beer to drown any problem/ailment you may encounter

                  "if you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough"
                  BTW, U of M sucks, Go Big Red! I have bragging rights to 2018!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by aczeller View Post
                    yeah. for the cost of it, it is the best damn thing yet. I have had it for over a year, which comes to less than a dollar per month. since the carbide is harder than the steel, there is little to no chance that it will ever wear out.

                    http://www.google.com/products/catal...d=0CD0Q8gIwAg#

                    the only thing I wish it had different was a bigger/more stable handle. it's only able to be held between my index finger and thumb, so it can get somewhat tiresome.

                    my brother got me a set of NICE Furi knives for Christmas... i started looking at a "better" sharpening system for these knives, and came across their sharpening finger kits. seems like a great product, had great reviews so far... the basic one is only $20 or so, but it only had a medium-grit, diamond-impregnated steel finger set. the one i WANT (but will not buy for while) is $100 and comes with (3) sets of fingers and a carbide blade thingy, similar to the smith sharpener.

                    Later,
                    Andy
                    Your right ten bucks is a great price and my local lowes has it in stock so i will be buying it

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                    • #11
                      I've been sharpening knives all my life using a fine file and a series of whet and oil stones. Shaving is my test too. As a matter of fact my Boy Scout leader saw me shave my arm with an axe I'd just sharpened and made it my job to sharpen all the troops axes. Later I bought a Gatco sharpener and it leaves a beautiful edge, but since arthritis has set in my knuckles I use a Chef's Choice model 120 electric sharpener and it sharpens all my knives razor sharp in about 10 seconds apiece.
                      Last edited by MichChef; 12-27-2010, 02:59 PM.


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MichChef View Post
                        ... I use a Chef's Choice model 120 electric sharpener and it sharpenes all my knives razor sharp in about 10 seconds apiece.
                        that's cheating!!!

                        lol

                        Later,
                        Andy
                        Current babies:
                        -Daughter's 10"x24" RF smoker
                        -RichTee's Lang :)
                        Former Lineup:
                        -Charbroil Santa Fe grill
                        -1954'ish Philco fridge smoker
                        -1950's GE electric fridge smoker in progress (Went to WuTang and will probably never be completed. lol)
                        -enough beer to drown any problem/ailment you may encounter

                        "if you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough"
                        BTW, U of M sucks, Go Big Red! I have bragging rights to 2018!

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                        • #13
                          Guess I'll chime in on the obsessive compulsive thread I've been a wet stone freak ever since my Dad gave me his fathers Carborundum wet stone when I was about 12. We soaked it in some melted Vasaline and he showed me how to grind a double bevel. I've probably got 30 Stones of all shapes sizes and coarsenesses. Never had the balls to put any of my knives on a bench grinder(insert fingernails on a chalkboard sound here)
                          Every couple of years I get all my knives out and start with that same Carborundum and work my way though to a hard Arkansas stone. However you get there, use your steel. That's why they are included with your knife block. Steel your blades constantly. It's the single best thing you can do to care for your knives and keep them in good condition. Remember you aren't sharpening, just straightening the burr.
                          JT

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                          • #14
                            I picked this one up the other day for like 3.99$ at Lowes and it worked great thanks Aczeller I was gonna get the one you posted but i got cheap lol

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                            • #15
                              Atta boy. That one should do just fine also. The reason I tend to avoid that particular kind is because the slots are sometimes too small for my pocket/hunting knives, but they are great other than that. I have never had anything bad to say about any of these styles (2 slanted pieces of carbide) since the first time I used one. They gvet the job done and last forever. Stones eventually wear away, but the carbide seems to last longer, for me anyway. My parents have had one of the carbide styles for over 10 years and it still works great.

                              Later,
                              Andy
                              Current babies:
                              -Daughter's 10"x24" RF smoker
                              -RichTee's Lang :)
                              Former Lineup:
                              -Charbroil Santa Fe grill
                              -1954'ish Philco fridge smoker
                              -1950's GE electric fridge smoker in progress (Went to WuTang and will probably never be completed. lol)
                              -enough beer to drown any problem/ailment you may encounter

                              "if you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough"
                              BTW, U of M sucks, Go Big Red! I have bragging rights to 2018!

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