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    The pork that I have is already allocated for a Hungarian kolbász project, so I'm putting this idea out there to see if anyone wants to give it a shot. It sounds great to me, but it will be a while before I am able to try it.

    During the course of my Black Forest Maple Bacon project (update/results this weekend, I hope!), BriCan graciously shared an excellent recipe/formula for a Black Forest spice mixture. I made it, using freshly-acquired spices, and it was outstanding; it really does seem to me to have an essence of the region, as intended. It is a flavour profile that I plan to experiment with more in the future, including with barbecued ribs this summer.

    The more I got to thinking about it, the more it seemed as if this spice/flavour combination would make a really good German sausage; I want to stress that I have no idea if sausage is actually made with the profile in Germany, but it really wouldn't surprise me if it was, especially in the southwestern region - it just has that aroma and ambiance. Some recipes that I've seen from German immigrant families in the Dakotas and elsewhere have a similar profile, albeit not exactly the same.

    I'm definitely going to try it, either fresh or smoked (or both), but at the current time, my pork budget is limited, and what I have is destined for a project that I have been putting off for far too long. With that in mind, I figured I would toss this idea into the ring and see if anyone wanted to pick it up and play with it.

    Obviously, the appropriate amount of salt/cure per pound is assumed, especially for smoked sausage. The recipe for the Black Forest spice mixture makes enough to fill a pint-sized Mason jar; you want to store it in a cool, dark and dry place:

    BriCan's Black Forest Spice Mixture

    125gm White pepper
    25gm Ground nutmeg
    25gm Ground mace
    15gm Ground cardamom
    200gm White sugar
    I'm guessing (and it is indeed just a guess) that a tablespoon per pound in the sausage would be a good place to start, assuming the appropriate salt to balance it. As for liquid and a binder, I'll leave that up to whomever wants to give this a try, but I'd be tempted to keep it simple: water (or beer) and milled oats.

    When I made my bacon, I also added a dusting of maple sugar to the surface during curing and again during equalisation; this worked out really well, but I am sure that it takes a little away from the "German sausage" profile." If anyone wants to try it, a teaspoon might be a good place to start, and I'm guessing it would contribute to a great breakfast sausage.

    Those are the ideas running around in my head; any and all discussion is very much welcomed and encouraged. As I said, I'll try it sooner or later - but if anyone wants to run with it, feel free to do so and post your results.
    Last edited by TasunkaWitko; 01-20-2015, 12:54 PM.
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    I'd have to look but I wanna say there might be a polish sausage with those ingredients. I read it kind of fast, did you mention what size casing. I'll look in my books when I get home but I may have one hanging in the curing chamber with those ingredients.
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    • #3
      Hi, Ryan -

      I see it in my head as a bratwurst-style sausage, so hog casings are what I would use. With the maple sugar added (maybe some sage too, if it will keep the sausage in the profile), I really think it would be a good breakfast sausage, so lamb casings or patties would be alright, too, I am sure.

      As for the German/Polish similarities, I'm guessing this would be par for the course - two countries famous for sausage, with a lot of demographic and cultural cross-over - it's very possible. If you find out anything, let me know!
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      • #4
        I should be in the house to look in 2 hours. If I got enough pork I'll give it a try this weekend. Although the wife said she's fed up with me making sausage on Saturday nights, blah blah blah, and she wants me to do something with her blah blah blah! She didn't find it amusing when I said we could make sausage together if I do it I'll probably follow marianski's guidelines for spices in his book. To me it looks like a lot of pepper and sugar.
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        • #5
          Sounds good - let me know if you try it and any modifications you make.

          The sugar seemed a bit on the high side to me too, at first - but the pepper and the spices balance it very nicely, as should the salt that is added to make the sausage. I didn't even think of the mixture as "sweet" when I tried it.

          A lot of German immigrant sausages that I am finding have a bit more sugar than I would expect to see, but they are treasured family favourites, and seem to come out very well. This goes with what little I know about German culinary profiles, especially where the spices are concerned.

          When I tried the spice mixture during my bacon project, it didn't seem overly peppery or sweet to me, so when I give this a shot, I'll go with the given amounts for the mixture, then add the mixture to the ground pork a teaspoon (per pound) at a time - up to a tablespoon per pound, for the first attempt. The mixture seems as though it works really well as a general seasoning, too (when balanced with an appropriate amount of salt), so I intend to try it on roasts, ribs etc.
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          • #6
            It sounds like it'd make a great rub. I'll get to my idea at the end. For a whole muscle meat its fine but I wonder if it'd be to overpowering in ground meat. In the Marianski book they have a chart on how much spices professional sausage makers add to 1kg of meat(love this chart), here's what he says
            White pepper 2-3 grams
            Cardamom 1-2g
            Mace .5g
            Nutmeg 1g, but also said if more than a gram of mace and nutmeg per 1kg can leave a bitter taste. And as a rule are not used in fresh sausages as their aroma is easily noticeable.
            Sugar 1-2g

            That's just his guidelines, here's what I might try.
            1kg meat, not sure if I'll go all pork or mix some beef in.
            18g salt
            3g white pepper
            1g nutmeg or a combo of nutmeg and mace
            1g cardamom or a touch less due to your recipe
            2g sugar

            At this point I think I'd do a fry test and see what I think. Depending on the taste I'd keep it fresh brat or add cure 1 and make a smoke brat.

            My search of a recipe came up short, however the polish salami I got drying is just missing the mace and nutmeg. There's a soviet recipe that is close but uses allspice instead of nutmeg(which I think are similar) plus they had brandy in it.

            Now here's my idea, I'm thinking that your recipe might taste good on some cured smoked pork chops. Also wondering if it would work on dry cured pork like lonzino or a ham. Just a thought, that's got me really intrigued.
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            • #7
              The measurements look good - give it a try and see where it goes!

              >>>I'm thinking that your recipe might taste good on some cured smoked pork chops. Also wondering if it would work on dry cured pork like lonzino or a ham. Just a thought, that's got me really intrigued.<<<

              I was thnking the same thing - trying it on a whole muscle cut of some kind. In my mind, it was beef, but pork would be just as good, or even better. It worked really well on the bacon (give it a try), so I'm thinking that it should be equally nicely on other forms of charcuterie.

              The components on their own smelled pretty different to me (especially the white pepper), but putting them together, I fell in love immediately. The mixture gives of a really nice, clean, spicy aroma - it really does put you in a German forest state of mind.
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              • #8
                If I take your recipe and add the nutmeg and mace and apply that to my recipe they're pretty close except the sugar.
                Yours. Mine
                50g nutmeg and mace. 50g
                125g white pepper. 150g
                15g cardamom. 50g
                200g sugar. 100g

                So now I'll probably change my numbers to match yours to mine better. Except the sugar which I'll keep at 2%. Hopefully nothing comes up this weekend so I can give it a try.
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                • #9
                  Nice - I like the idea, and am looking forward to seeing where it goes!

                  Interesting the way those numbers turned out - the formula that BriCan shared with me came from the mother of a friend of his, and it's pretty cool how her amounts came very close to Marianski's formula (except the sugar, which is twice as much). Perhaps the "extra" sugar was a preference in the family, or simply "how it was done since... (filll in the blank with the appropriate phrase equalling 'a long time ago')."

                  Let me know how it turns out - are you going to do fresh, smoked or some of each?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TasunkaWitko View Post
                    Nice - I like the idea, and am looking forward to seeing where it goes!

                    Interesting the way those numbers turned out - the formula that BriCan shared with me came from the mother of a friend of his, and it's pretty cool how her amounts came very close to Marianski's formula (except the sugar, which is twice as much). Perhaps the "extra" sugar was a preference in the family, or simply "how it was done since... (filll in the blank with the appropriate phrase equalling 'a long time ago')."

                    Let me know how it turns out - are you going to do fresh, smoked or some of each?
                    I'll probably start with fresh, do a fry test and then go from there. I thick the sugar amount maybe for the whole muscle meat to counteract the salt.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ryan View Post
                      I thick the sugar amount maybe for the whole muscle meat to counteract the salt.
                      Makes perfect sense ~
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                      • #12
                        Oh ea folks with little faith ..... lol

                        go with the thing..

                        I have enough pork so will give it a shot ... casings should be 29/32 hog for this ....

                        .... my 1 cents worth

                        All pork ... 12g per kg salt ... will use the mix as is .....
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BriCan View Post
                          Oh ea folks with little faith ..... lol

                          go with the thing..

                          I have enough pork so will give it a shot ... casings should be 29/32 hog for this ....

                          .... my 1 cents worth

                          All pork ... 12g per kg salt ... will use the mix as is .....
                          Its not that I have little faith I've learned if Ron says something is good you can take it to the bank. I was just questioning the converting it to a"rub" into a ground product. Sometimes they use more of the spices on a whole muscle cut. Thanks for letting Ron share this. I'm really looking forward to trying this. I found another pack of butts. So I'm thinking of doing this, some fresh brats, smoked brats, snack sticks, 2" sausage, and I may just get one going in the curing chamber just need to decide which diameter to go with hog casing, 2", or 3".
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                          • #14
                            Hey, BriCan - let us know how it goes; I'm definitely interested!

                            Ryan - I sure appreciate your confidence in me, but I'm just guessing here, so please do feel free to play with it a little bit. Your reasons (rub/surface seasoning vs internal seasoning for ground meat) make sense, so there's definitely no harm in a little experimentation. My main idea was that - well, I've got this jar of mixed-up seasoning, what can i do with it?

                            Looking forward to results from both, and anyone else who might be interested ~
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                            • #15
                              Did anyone give this a shot?
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